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Why are there no like buttons on this site????

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Post by ssracer » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:32 am

The more people that call for the second amendment to be repealed, and guns to be confiscated, the more important and relevant the second amendment becomes.


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Post by WLJ » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:40 am

Say what you will about Trump but can you imagine where we would be at right now if Hillary had won?
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Post by WLJ » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:16 pm

Meanwhile in gun free Chicago
Why arn't these kids protesting in Chicago?
Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 91
Shot & Wounded: 415
Total Shot: 506
Total Homicides: 111
https://heyjackass.com/

Just wait for it to warm up up there.
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Post by WLJ » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:49 pm

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if true.
It was already found they had less than 1/4 of the people they claimed.

Fisher’s study indicates that -- while news coverage focused on the teenagers marching for gun control in the wake of last month’s shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida --- 90 percent of the crowd was actually adults. She said the average age of adults in the crowd was just under 49.
Despite media narrative, study says teenagers made up just 10 percent of March for Our Lives crowd
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03 ... crowd.html
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Post by WLJ » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:06 pm

Wow, common sense from CBS

Copied and pasted the whole thing since they're labile to delete it and fire the writer.

Commentary: Could #MarchForOurLives be a setback for gun control?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary ... n-control/
Saturday's #MarchForOurLives was billed as a protest against gun violence. But for many Americans on the Right, it felt like they were under attack.

Many student speakers gave lip service to non-partisanship. "Now is the time to come together, not as Democrats, not as Republicans, but as Americans," student leader David Hogg said in his speech. However it was hard not to notice that some Americans were, to paraphrase George Orwell's "Animal Farm," more 'American' than others.

For a non-partisan rally against gun violence, there was an awful lot of messaging about a Republican President and GOP elected officials like Sen. Marco Rubio. As student speaker Sarah Chadwick put it: "We will no longer be hunted down and treated like prey by politicians who simply don't care about us."

David Hogg was even more explicit: "The cold grasp of corruption shackles the District of Columbia…To those politicians supported by the NRA, that allow the continued slaughter of our children and our future, I say: Get your résumés ready."

"Corruption?" "Slaughter?" "Hunted prey?" This is the sort of language one would expect to hear directed at the Parkland attacker and other gun-wielding criminals. These killers were rarely mentioned. Instead, the vitriol was directed at Republican lawmakers and the people who vote for them, people who "put guns ahead of our kids," was the common refrain. Or as one sign read "Our Blood, Your Hands."

And then there was the NRA.

"NRA = Murder" signs were widespread at Saturday's rally, along with "The NRA Supports Terrorists" and "[Expletive] the NRA." At least one rally featured chants of "Hey, Hey, NRA—How many kids did you kill today?"

So how does it feel to spend a day being called a child murderer on national television?

"You get used to it," said Cam Edwards, host of the popular "Cam and Company" show on NRATV. "This is nothing new, maybe just more ramped up."

Edwards makes the point that the NRA is a membership organization and an attack on it is an attack on the 6 million or so people who choose to send in their $40 a year because they want to protect what they see as a constitutional right.

"NRA members are some of the best people in this country: first responders, educators, veterans, moms and dads," Edwards says. "Not people who care more about their guns than their kids. And certainly not domestic terrorists."

There's something else Americans who support gun rights are: Registered voters.

The traditional calculation is that while Americans have many feelings about guns, the only people who actually vote on the issue are gun owners. "They're marching today," one southern GOP consultant said to me on Saturday, "but where will they be in November?"

Democrats hope, with good reason, that this year will be different. According to a new CBS News Nation Tracker poll, Democrats are just as likely as Republicans to say candidates must agree with them on guns in order to get their vote. In addition, 2018 is already shaping up to be a winning year for Democrats without the gun issue, and high hopes boost turnout. The most motivated voters may not be voting specifically for gun control, but a rising liberal tide will raise all ideological boats.

But Saturday's rally, with its acid rhetoric and progressive overreach, may have been the Left's first setback of the year.

"They have gotten the other side revved up," says Jim Wallace of the Gun Owners Action League, a pro-gun-rights group in Massachusetts. "The NRA's membership is increasing, ours is increasing. We're seeing it first hand: people who would not normally get involved are very concerned about their civil rights."

Both Edwards and Wallace pointed out comments from onstage pushing for extreme measures on guns—comments their fellow gun owners are certain to notice, too.

"For every person who said 'We want "common sense gun reform," you got somebody else who said 'it's time to repeal the Second Amendment.' The actual message a bit confused, other than 'We don't like guns and we don't like gun owners.'"

Many supporters of gun control would dispute this contention. They insist that they don't oppose gun ownership or hold lawful gun owners responsible for the gun crimes. But for many gun owners, Saturday's events were a daylong example of what Jim Wallace calls "the new social bigotry against gun owners."

Dee Dee Edmondson, a member of Massachusetts' LGBT community who works with Wallace, agrees. "It's easier to come out as a lesbian in Massachusetts than as a gun owner," she told me.

This is dangerous political territory for Democrats. A new poll just out last week found that 58 percent of Americans believe gun ownership increases safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. Even among Millennials, four in ten still believe "protecting gun rights is of chief importance."

And while support for the NRA has fallen recently—37 percent favorable, 40 percent unfavorable—that's still more than 100 million Americans with a positive view this "child murdering" organization.

If these Americans get the message that Democrats and the Left are declaring them Public Enemy #1, if they feel like their culture and values are under assault, that's one way to get a relatively unmotivated GOP base fired up for the midterms.

Delaney Tarr, one of the student speakers said on Saturday: "We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We're not here for bread crumbs. We are here for real change."

Gun control advocates should hope America's gun owners didn't get the message.
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Post by Frailer » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:54 am

PDM wrote:Image
Apologies for being pedantic, but it was actually 1775.

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Post by Frailer » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:14 am

The only gun control advocates I have any respect for are those who call for the repeal of the Second Amendment.

I don’t agree with them, but at least they’re abiding by the Constitution.

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Post by PDM » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:18 am

Frailer wrote:
PDM wrote:Image
Apologies for being pedantic, but it was actually 1775.
None needed. Most of the time I feel like I’m the only one who makes that point
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Post by WLJ » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:03 am

ATF Publishes Important Notice For Proposed Bump Stock Ban. Here's What You Need to Know.
https://townhall.com/notebook/bethbauma ... n-n2466024
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Post by Frailer » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:52 am

"...nor shall any person...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

Congress can ban bump stocks. The executive branch cannot.

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Post by plumber_bob » Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:57 am

"Why is everybody always pickin' on me???"

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Post by WLJ » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:30 pm

S.55
https://legislature.vermont.gov/bill/status/2018/S.55

BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/0 ... will-sign/
The bill raises the age to 21 to buy long guns in the Green Mountain State. Also a Magazine ban is in place along with Universal Background Checks for all Firearm Sales within the State. Bump Stocks are also banned for possession within the State.

Magazines for Rifles are limited to 10rds and Pistols are limited to 15rds. Lever Action and Bolt Action are exempt from the magazine ban. Pump Action Rifles/Shotguns are not. (How does this apply to guns like the KSG since they can hold the Mini-Shells or the KSG 25 which can hold 25 shells?) Dealers in Vermont have until October 1st to sell their current inventory of magazines.

Magazines cannot be transferred or sold. Meaning they cannot be inherited by family.


Republican Gov. Phil Scott said in a statement after Friday’s vote that he supports the new bill, along with two other gun-control measures that are advancing in the legislature, because he believes they uphold constitutional rights “while taking reasonable steps to reduce the risk of violence.” A spokeswoman confirmed he plans to sign all three bills pending a technical review.

Additionally, Gov. Scott stated:

“As Governor, I have a moral and legal obligation and responsibility to provide for the safety of our citizens. If we are at a point when our kids are afraid to go to school and parents are afraid to put their kids on a bus, who are we?”
https://legislature.vermont.gov/assets/ ... ficial.pdf

(e)(1) As used in this section, “large capacity ammunition feeding device”
means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity
of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept:
(A) more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a long gun; or
(B) more than 15 rounds of ammunition for a hand gun.
(2) The term “large capacity ammunition feeding device” shall not
include:
(A) an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of
operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition;
(B) a large capacity ammunition feeding device that is manufactured
or sold solely for use by a lever action or bolt action long gun or by an antique
firearm as defined in subdivisions 4017(d)(2)(A) and (B) of this title; or
(C) a large capacity ammunition feeding device that is manufactured
or sold solely for use with a firearm that is determined to be a curio or relic by
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. As used in this
subdivision, “curio or relic” means a firearm that is of special interest to
collectors by reason of some quality other than its association with firearms
intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

Sec. 9. 13 V.S.A. § 4022 is added to read:
§ 4022. BUMP-FIRE STOCKS; POSSESSION PROHIBITED
(a) As used in this section, “bump-fire stock” means a butt stock designed
to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm and intended to increase the rate of
fire achievable with the firearm to that of a fully automatic firearm by using
the energy from the recoil of the firearm to generate a reciprocating action that
facilitates the repeated activation of the trigger.
(b) A person shall not possess a bump-fire stock. A person who violates
this subsection shall be imprisoned not more than one year or fined not more
than $1,000.00, or both.
(c) The Department of Public Safety shall develop, promote, and execute
a collection process that permits persons to voluntarily and anonymously
relinquish bump-fire stocks prior to the effective date of this section.
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Post by WLJ » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:34 pm

Frailer wrote:"...nor shall any person...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

Congress can ban bump stocks. The executive branch cannot.

Make America Totalitarian Again.
They may not have to, looks like the states are doing it one by one.
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Post by Niceguy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:39 pm

It will be a miracle if we don't end up gunless and a HUGE part of our population slaughtered or in a civil war in the next 50 years or less...

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Post by WLJ » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:47 pm

Criminals arn't obeying the law, we need a new law to make that illegal
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Post by PDM » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:51 pm

Niceguy wrote:It will be a miracle if we don't end up gunless and a HUGE part of our population slaughtered or in a civil war in the next 50 years or less...
It will be a dark day when all the upright, law abiding gun owners have nothing else to lose and no longer fear the law
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Post by WLJ » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:12 pm

To go along with the Vermont stuff above.

Gun rights activists hand out high-capacity magazines at Vermont rally
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/31/gu ... rally.html
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