S&W M&P 15/22 Rifles Banned at Appleseed Events

[WLJ]

Rut Roh

BREAKING: S&W M&P 15/22 Rifles BANNED at Appleseed Events Due to Run Away and Out of Battery Firing
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016 ... ry-firing/

To: All Appleseed Instructors

Subject: TEMPORARY BAN ON SMITH & WESSON M&P 15/22 USE AT APPLESEED

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE USE OF SMITH AND WESSON M&P 15/22’S AT AN APPLESEED IS HEREBY BANNED UNTIL SMITH & WESSON FORMALLY INVESTIGATES THE PROBLEM AND ISSUES AN OFFICIAL CORRECTIVE ACTION. THE AOC WILL NOTIFY THE CADRE WHEN THIS BAN IS LIFTED.

The AOC has received a rash of reports regarding safety issues with the Smith & Wesson M&P 15/22, including a shooter getting injured as a result of an out-of-battery discharge (see reports below).

As responsible Instructors, we have a duty to maintain safety at our events. If we know a rifle to be potentially unsafe, we shouldn’t allow it on the line at all.

At this time the least risk course of action would be to exclude the Smith & Wesson M&P 15/22 from future events until Smith & Wesson formally investigates the problem and issues an official corrective action.

[ssracer]

Damn

[PDM]

I understand the issues with poorly held pins, but what the heck is an out of battery discharge? Not interested in toecutter's definition. Lol

[Dave1965]

I understand the issues with poorly held pins, but what the heck is an out of battery discharge? Not interested in toecutter's definition. Lol

DD (matt) talks about this mostly with the M9 Beretta's. When the bolt (in the 15/22 case) is not seated all the way forward before the round discharges or in the M9 issue would likely be where the slide has not moved all the way forward (and closed over the round entirely) before the round fires.

If you read the events of one of the most recent police shootings (Ferguson MO I think) where the argument was that the assailant had pushed the slide of the officers automatic pistol partially back and took it out of battery so it would not fire while the officer was seated in the car. In most automatic firearms, the round has to fully be seated in the barrel and the breach (to use the artillery analogy) fully closed to fire.

[PDM]

Ok, so basically the same trigger issues. Usually if the hammer rides the bolt it doesn't have enough power to set the round off.

[guncrank1]

Without seeing a malfunction
I would say it sounds like the pin is allowing the hammer to override the primary sear.