? Colt SOCOM uppers

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:05 am

I have a guy offering me 3 complete Colt SOCOM 14.5" uppers with knights rails covers and rear sights. Says 2 are used and one is slightly used. Where would these come from and are they legit? I would be trading my saiga to them through FFL.

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gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:06 am

Post by **Whootsinator** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:59 am

My guess is they came from a police department that sold them to buy something better. Without a permanently attached muzzle device bringing the overall barrel length to 16"+ they would be considered short barreled rifles. It LOOKS like those are standard A2 flash hiders to me.

Define "legit", what information are you looking for specifically? Are they really Colt, are they really using an M4A1 barrel profile, were they really used by SOCOM?

Regardless of all of the above, I wouldn't make that trade. You'd be left with three moderately used, antiquated upper receiver groups, treading water in a sea of people trying to sell AR-15 parts.

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:07 am

I have a sbr lower so im not concerned about the 14.5 thing. And if I could sell the other 2 for $500 a piece I'd be happy or trade. I was concerned about them being stolen from military or something.

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Post by **Niceguy** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:13 am

Your lucky to get $500 for a complete AR right now...Next week, who knows? The market is REEEEEEEEALLY whored up with AR's and AR parts right now.

Post by **Dave1965** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:13 am

gaston_kalash wrote:I have a sbr lower so im not concerned about the 14.5 thing. And if I could sell the other 2 for $500 a piece I'd be happy or trade. I was concerned about them being stolen from military or something.

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Its impossible to tell if they are being stolen. The military is getting rid of a lot of stuff these days, some to make room for newer stuff. They can only have so much on their books if I recall from my old days. Always throwing away or DXing it. They could be from police depts. as well or contract agencies. I don't know that they are old outdated but I would be concerned with how much they have been shot. Thousands of rounds through one would make it not worth very much to me.

If they are real knights rails in good shape with the covers you can probably get 100 each out of those. I would think if you work it right, you could get more out of the uppers. If you don't want to do the deal, sell your gun to me for 750 and give me his info and I will do it.

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:18 am

Dave1965 wrote:
gaston_kalash wrote:I have a sbr lower so im not concerned about the 14.5 thing. And if I could sell the other 2 for $500 a piece I'd be happy or trade. I was concerned about them being stolen from military or something.

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Its impossible to tell if they are being stolen. The military is getting rid of a lot of stuff these days, some to make room for newer stuff. They can only have so much on their books if I recall from my old days. Always throwing away or DXing it. They could be from police depts. as well or contract agencies. I don't know that they are old outdated but I would be concerned with how much they have been shot. Thousands of rounds through one would make it not worth very much to me.

If they are real knights rails in good shape with the covers you can probably get 100 each out of those. I would think if you work it right, you could get more out of the uppers. If you don't want to do the deal, sell your gun to me for 750 and give me his info and I will do it.

two of the uppers are supposed to be brand new unfired and one is supposed to be slightly used. They all come with rails and covers. I have a extra rail righ now with the VG but no covers. They all also come with rear sight and are all complete with CH and BCG's.

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Post by **WLJ** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:20 am

Is it me or does that rear sight look like it has paint over rust?

Post by **Whootsinator** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:21 am

I -highly- doubt they were stolen from the military. It's always possible, but if I bought them personally I wouldn't have any legal concerns except the SBR aspect if I didn't have a registered SBR lower.

You'll be very hard pressed to sell those for $500 in a market where people can buy relatively reliable, new, complete ARs for $550. Then again, Dave could sell beachfront property in Arizona... and it would miraculously exist.

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:25 am

I also have enough spare parts I could build a pistol lower and sell or trade. Maybe I could trade on to Dave for a bunch of mags lol.

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gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:05 pm

How much do you all think I could get apiece for these uppers easily?

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Post by **Rext** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:06 pm

Does the gas tube under the rail look bent to you guys?

Post by **WLJ** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:09 pm

Rext wrote:Does the gas tube under the rail look bent to you guys?

The top one? Does to me.

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:13 pm

It does kinda. I didn't notice that.

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Post by **Dave1965** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:19 pm

Tube looks fine to me. I guess you are talking about the one in the bottommost pic. I think its a part of the rail but not sure. Closeup would define for sure.

I guess two of them could be unused but maybe outer wear. Would depend on the bcg wear to tell if its for real (of course they could have been mismatched groups too). Since gaston was willing to take 750 for the rifle, I for sure would take a chance (after a few more close up pics) at $250 a piece. That's just my take on it though.

Tell the guy to sweeten with a little cash

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:22 pm

Dave1965 wrote:Tube looks fine to me. I guess you are talking about the one in the bottommost pic. I think its a part of the rail but not sure. Closeup would define for sure.

I guess two of them could be unused but maybe outer wear. Would depend on the bcg wear to tell if its for real (of course they could have been mismatched groups too). Since gaston was willing to take 750 for the rifle, I for sure would take a chance (after a few more close up pics) at $250 a piece. That's just my take on it though.

Tell the guy to sweeten with a little cash

$750 was for just the stock rifle I'm trading the rifle 7 mags and magpul furniture and some other stuff I have laying around. I'll have between 11-1,200 in the 3 uppers.

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gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:34 pm

I just asked him more about them and he said they were le6920 uppers with regular upper but with different barrels an said he got them in trade.

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gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:49 pm

I don't think it's bent here's a pic of my old upper wit same rail and it looks bent to.

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gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:31 pm

The guy has 100% feed back on the trader forum.

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Post by **Dave1965** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:50 pm

gaston_kalash wrote:
Dave1965 wrote:Tube looks fine to me. I guess you are talking about the one in the bottommost pic. I think its a part of the rail but not sure. Closeup would define for sure.

I guess two of them could be unused but maybe outer wear. Would depend on the bcg wear to tell if its for real (of course they could have been mismatched groups too). Since gaston was willing to take 750 for the rifle, I for sure would take a chance (after a few more close up pics) at $250 a piece. That's just my take on it though.

Tell the guy to sweeten with a little cash
$750 was for just the stock rifle I'm trading the rifle 7 mags and magpul furniture and some other stuff I have laying around. I'll have between 11-1,200 in the 3 uppers.

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No

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:57 pm

Dave1965 wrote:
gaston_kalash wrote:
Dave1965 wrote:Tube looks fine to me. I guess you are talking about the one in the bottommost pic. I think its a part of the rail but not sure. Closeup would define for sure.

I guess two of them could be unused but maybe outer wear. Would depend on the bcg wear to tell if its for real (of course they could have been mismatched groups too). Since gaston was willing to take 750 for the rifle, I for sure would take a chance (after a few more close up pics) at $250 a piece. That's just my take on it though.

Tell the guy to sweeten with a little cash
$750 was for just the stock rifle I'm trading the rifle 7 mags and magpul furniture and some other stuff I have laying around. I'll have between 11-1,200 in the 3 uppers.

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No

im emoticon illiterate. Not sure what this means.

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Post by **Whootsinator** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:21 pm

I'm not 100% familiar with this particular dialect sir, but I believe he's saying he doesn't think that sounds like a good deal, and that's he's shocked you'd consider it... almost laughably so.

gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:25 pm

Whootsinator wrote:I'm not 100% familiar with this particular dialect sir, but I believe he's saying he doesn't think that sounds like a good deal, and that's he's shocked you'd consider it... almost laughably so.

thanks for the translation. I don't know this new language these kids speak in now a days lol and I'm only 28.

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gaston_kalash · Post by **gaston_kalash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:58 pm

If I can sell them for at least $400 a piece I can get my money back I have in the ak. So you don't think I can get that much?

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Post by **Dave1965** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:46 pm

I was shocked you had that much in the stuff you were thinking of giving for the 3 uppers. The 750 would be a slam dunk. Not sure on the 1200 especially given the description you said (colt 6920's with colt uppers and different barrels...) I was like WTF. and would probably consider it if you could look at the uppers. However, please consider that PSA (which some people here don't like because of their customer service) has sales you can get a m4 type upper without the fancy rail, the bcg or ch for like 199 right now. Add 100 for the bcg and ch and you have 300 in it, and then buy a used KAC rail on ebay for 100 and you have 400 in it. Yeah its not a colt but it is brand new and decent upper. and its not a used colt that someone would throw on an Andersoned lower and have a FrankenAR. I doubt I would buy these for $400, so there is your WWDD (what would dave do).

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