ATF release 14 point memo clarifying 80% lowers

[ChopperDoc]

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/ ... 80-lowers/

[PDM]

That's good stuff especially for the non-ar-savvy folks such as myself

[Rext]

I really don't get the whole 80% lower thing.

[WLJ]

I really don't get the whole 80% lower thing.

Some people want a rifle that's completely off the radar, no forms nothing. Others like the customization that an 80% gives them.

[Dave1965]

Bunch of baloney. Having a dimple on the side of a lower does not make it a firearm. People will easily get around this by PRINTING a template on the side of the lower. No marks made on the metal, just an overlay or sticker type printed edition over the metal. Same with the top part.

[guncrank1]

The full report mentions that there has been reports of unmarked / machined firearms recovered at crimes.
But you don't need a paperweight to make a gun, but if enough criminals start to get these converted or used , there will be regulation.
Or hell the anti-gun people are already shitting in their pants over them now.

From a personal point , it's cheaper to buy a lower, than spend 60-100 for the paperweight and another 100 for a jig.

Although I do know of some 07/SOT that are using the paperweight as a post sample.

[WLJ]

The full report mentions that there has been reports of unmarked / machined firearms recovered at crimes.
But you don't need a paperweight to make a gun, but if enough criminals start to get these converted or used , there will be regulation.
Or hell the anti-gun people are already shitting in their pants over them now.

From a personal point , it's cheaper to buy a lower, than spend 60-100 for the paperweight and another 100 for a jig.

Although I do know of some 07/SOT that are using the paperweight as a post sample.

Wouldn't it be much easier for a criminal to merely take a dremel to the s/n on the lower compare to finishing a 80% if they wanted a lower without a s/n?
Just more imaginary monsters from the anti's IMHO

[guncrank1]

The full report mentions that there has been reports of unmarked / machined firearms recovered at crimes.
But you don't need a paperweight to make a gun, but if enough criminals start to get these converted or used , there will be regulation.
Or hell the anti-gun people are already shitting in their pants over them now.

From a personal point , it's cheaper to buy a lower, than spend 60-100 for the paperweight and another 100 for a jig.

Although I do know of some 07/SOT that are using the paperweight as a post sample.

Wouldn't it be much easier for a criminal to merely take a dremel to the s/n on the lower compare to finishing a 80% if they wanted a lower without a s/n?
Just more imaginary monsters from the anti's IMHO

WLJ I have no idea , only what the full report said.
http://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/atf-ans ... z3Is5fHhPV
Here is whole thing

[WLJ]

The full report mentions that there has been reports of unmarked / machined firearms recovered at crimes.
But you don't need a paperweight to make a gun, but if enough criminals start to get these converted or used , there will be regulation.
Or hell the anti-gun people are already shitting in their pants over them now.

From a personal point , it's cheaper to buy a lower, than spend 60-100 for the paperweight and another 100 for a jig.

Although I do know of some 07/SOT that are using the paperweight as a post sample.

Wouldn't it be much easier for a criminal to merely take a dremel to the s/n on the lower compare to finishing a 80% if they wanted a lower without a s/n?
Just more imaginary monsters from the anti's IMHO

WLJ I have no idea , only what the full report said.
http://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/atf-ans ... z3Is5fHhPV
Here is whole thing

I'm not questioning you, I'm questioning the intelligence of the avg criminal and the ATF.

[ChopperDoc]

I really don't get the whole 80% lower thing.

I might like to do just to say that I did.

Only I do not have the tools required. The ATF frowns on you even borrowing the tools from someone it appears, which is how those guys in Cali got into trouble. They were selling 80% lowers then renting shop time so customers could use their tools to complete them.

Now, I have no idea if money has to change hands in the tool or shop use, so if you are going to your neighbors well equipped machine shop in his garage he uses for cars stuff to complete your 80% lower it MIGHT be okay, but then it MIGHT not. The ATF, as you all know, can be finicky on this stuff and even change their mind after a ruling has been made by them. I don't think I will risk that. If I own the tools one day I may do it just to say that I did.

[ssracer]

I was tempted by one recently. Came with the lower, jig and bits for like $120. Just like to try it

[guncrank1]

I need no jig and has a complete machine/wood shop

[RecoilSensitive]

All you need is the jig and a drill press right?

[guncrank1]

All you need is the jig and a drill press right?

I have seen guys use a dremel or a small trim router to hog out trigger mortise as well.

[WLJ]

Real men use their teeth.

[ssracer]

The one I saw came with drill bits. I was thinking my drill press + dremel to finish it off

[Toddstang]

Two years ago you could find 80% lowers at the MGS for under $30.

[Dave1965]

Two years ago you could find 80% lowers at the MGS for under $30.

Now you can buy full firearm lowers for $39 (aim) or 45 (Thorougbred Tactical) or 47 (KYGUNCO) or 53 (FB FFL seller)

[ssracer]

Yeah, but then the gubment knows man!