.308 vs 3/8 AR500 steel

Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:28 am

.308 wins hands down lol, this was from about 75 yds out

Post by **Wyldman** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:04 pm

.308, turning cover into concealment for 80 years!

Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:07 pm

Wyldman wrote:.308, turning cover into concealment for 80 years!

Lol definitely. I really did not expect it to do this. I expected a dent/deformation of the plate. But i certainly didnt expect a perfect hole through it. Not to mention the plate got knocked a good 6 to 8 feet back from where it was sitting.

Post by **justang1997** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:42 pm

Kewl.
What gun and barrel length and what brand 308?

Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:48 pm

remington 700, 24 in barrel, military surplus ammo

stavman · Post by **stavman** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:50 pm

Was this AP ammo?

Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:51 pm

stavman wrote:Was this AP ammo?

nope, just some old military surplus ammo i picked up at a gun show a while back

Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:53 pm

I have shot these plates close range with .22, 9mm, .40, and .223 and none of them phased it one bit....if i painted them again they would look brand new(except for this one lol)

Post by **kyswede** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:18 pm

Now you know why our military started issuing M14s to soldiers going to Iraq. When my DIL left for Iraq tour #2 in Dec. '05 she was issued a M14 and a M4 carbine. When she returned she bought a M1A.

Post by **Mudcat** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:45 pm

That is odd I have several AR 500 and 450 plates that have been shot hundreds of times from .308 and 30/06. Some as close as 25m but mostly 100-400 yards. Not a single one has a hole in it, one has a nice dent from a .338LM.
The round you shot this with do the bullets attract a magnet?

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Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:55 pm

Just checked and they do attract a magnet, steel core makes holes in steel lol. Since this plate has already been sacrificed I'll try it again next range trip with some lead core ammo.

Post by **WLJ** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:57 pm

Rem700 wrote:Just checked and they do attract a magnet, steel core makes holes in steel lol. Since this plate has already been sacrificed I'll try it again next range trip with some lead core ammo.

What's the head stamp on those?

Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:04 pm

They are actually 7.62x51 most are stamped POF 16, some are 16FLB82

Post by **kyswede** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:06 pm

My BIL has a 3/8" thick stainless plate, shot 5 times with 160 gr. soft-point ammo thru a Swedish Mauser. It has 5 holes in it.

Post by **WLJ** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:07 pm

Rem700 wrote:They are actually 7.62x51 most are stamped POF 16, some are 16FLB82

POF = Pakistan Ordnance Factories, Wah Cantt, Pakistan

FLB = ábrica Militar "Fray Luís Beltran, San Lorenzo, Argentina

http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm

Post by **Whootsinator** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:09 pm

kyswede wrote:My BIL has a 3/8" thick stainless plate, shot 5 times with 160 gr. soft-point ammo thru a Swedish Mauser. It has 5 holes in it.

125 gr. .30-06 soft point will do the same.

Post by **WLJ** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:11 pm

Do any of them have a NATO cross?

Post by **Rem700** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:43 pm

WLJ wrote:Do any of them have a NATO cross?

Not that I saw

Post by **Dave1965** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:28 am

sweet , I have several hundred pakistani rounds...hmmm

Post by **Rem700** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:40 am

Dave1965 wrote:sweet , I have several hundred pakistani rounds...hmmm

i need to get me some more, its not the most accurate ammo but for about 50 cents a round i wont complain....beats the 1 dollar + per round price of decent ammo.

Post by **Mudcat** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:19 pm

Interesting are you sure you have AR 500? The HXP that the CMP is selling now days has a bi-metal jacket if you pull the bullet and put heat on it the lead will melt out of the center but no steel core. Just a copper washed steel bullet case. It will blast right through a 3/4" regular mild steel and stainless too. But won't do shit to AR 500.
I buy my targets from http://bobcatsteel.com/.

Post by **Rem700** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:10 pm

I guess I have no way to be certain but when I bought it, it was listed as ar500 steel.

TheWenisPrinkle · Post by **TheWenisPrinkle** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:25 am

Who's targets are those? AR500 should be able to take a .308 at 75 without a hole. Maybe a dent but not a clean hole. I have some AR500 plates and while I have never shot a .308 at it at such close range I have seen it take a .338 at 100 without so much as a dent.

Another question did you weld the stands on the plates? Welding will soften the areas around the weld but that hole looks pretty far away from the weld.

On plus side you know can always claim, that the last round must have passed through the hole. That's why it didn't move.

Post by **Rem700** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:43 am

I got them off ebay from a seller with very good feedback. And i have no issue with these plates because they have stood up just fine to the calibers specified in the ad. It warned not to use high velocity rifle rounds, but of course i wanted to see what would happen...now i know lol.

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