Veterans gun rights

[Nolan]

http://news.yahoo.com/veterans-gun-righ ... itics.html

[WLJ]

Should veterans deemed too mentally incompetent to handle their own financial affairs be prevented from buying a gun?

Should read
Should people deemed too mentally incompetent to handle their own financial affairs be prevented from voting?

But back to the subject.

[scorpionmain]

Should veterans deemed too mentally incompetent to handle their own financial affairs be prevented from buying a gun?

Should read
Should people deemed too mentally incompetent to handle their own financial affairs be prevented from voting?

But back to the subject.

LOL, half of America is too incompetent to handle their own finances. The FSA & Congress.

This would do nothing but make a vet not seek treatment.

[WLJ]

Don't why this didn't come to me before.

How about we hold members of Congress and the Admin to the same standard they wish to impose on vets/us?
In other words, if they're mentally incompetent to handle financial affairs then they shouldn't be able to hold office.

[Rem700]

Don't why this didn't come to me before.

How about we hold members of Congress and the Admin to the same standard they wish to impose on vets/us?
In other words, if they're mentally incompetent to handle financial affairs then they shouldn't be able to hold office.

Wouldnt that be all of them?

[Wyldman]

Yup, pretty much.

[justang1997]

I tell vets all the time not to take VA benefits unless they really really need them. Getting approved for ptsd is easy to do for most vets who have seen combat but what you are doing is giving the gov a reason to use that against you. You are basically saying "I have mental problems bad enough that I need compensation and medical care for my entire life." No matter how much they say medical records are private I'm sure potential employers would use that against you if you were applying for a job. Even if they say they won't.

[scorpionmain]

I tell vets all the time not to take VA benefits unless they really really need them. Getting approved for ptsd is easy to do for most vets who have seen combat but what you are doing is giving the gov a reason to use that against you. You are basically saying "I have mental problems bad enough that I need compensation and medical care for my entire life." No matter how much they say medical records are private I'm sure potential employers would use that against you if you were applying for a job. Even if they say they won't.

I saw the following post on another forum & it made me think of what you said here.


***Heads up for disabled veterans claiming PTSD***

I just got my C&P (compensation and pension) appeal back. My rating for PTSD was increased. They also stated that because of my PTSD I am incompetent and goes on to state, "You are prohibited from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate and of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 13, United States Code 924(a)(2)." I am completely appalled. What this says to me is that its perfectly fine for me to stand up when some others wouldn't and fight for my country. Coming home with injuries that are invisible. Depression and guilt I can not shake. Feelings of remorse and fear of, "What if's." And as a reward for my sickness I do not receive more care. I do not receive counsel. I do not receive anything but a constitutional right revocation. Im at a total loss for what to say on this.

[scorpionmain]

The VA doesn't do this themselves. They petition the courts to make the order and it happens on a regular basis.

[justang1997]

Its pretty scary stuff really. I mean I work with and know more than a handful of Nam and Gulf vets who have worked their entire lives after leaving the service and recently went to the VA just because they heard they would be approved for ptsd and start getting money. Not a smart move imo.

[son of liberty]

I think that combat veterans should discharge with there issued weapons.

[scorpionmain]

I think that combat veterans should discharge with there issued weapons.

Sounds good to me.

[Van Zan]

Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.

Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.

Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.

The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.

The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.

-- Michael Connelly, J.D.

Executive Director, United States Justice Foundation​

Follow Us: @redflagnews on Twitter

Get the RedFlag app today for Apple and Android devices...

[Kadnine]

I will look into this. I have several friends (honorable vets all) who work for the area VA, and their advice to me after leaving service was to apply for bennies, and expect a zero disability rating. This, their reasoning goes, gets the initial app process outta the way, and will make things go smoother should I ever need to re-apply, it won't be from scratch.

Even tho I didn't capitalize on their advice, this bears looking into. Whether or not I find out anything useful for area vets, I'll post it here in this thread. Thanks.

- Keith

[DDgunslinger]

I think that combat veterans should discharge with there issued weapons.

I do believe it is Finland (not positive), that all persons serving in their country's military upon discharge will take with them there duty weapon whether it be a pistol, semi-auto rifle or belt-fed machine gun. They are also required to conduct semi annual training at the range. (Basically a day at the range.) Also I do believe they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world, go figure lol

[Niceguy]

Same with the Swiss I think...