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Post Number:#26  PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:23 am 
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Perhaps a setup like 06sandstone has
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I love the look of the top one. Is it a mac10 with accessories or what?


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Post Number:#27  PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:04 am 
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That is a m11 with a Lage slowfire upper & some other accessories. You can find the Lage stuff @ WWW.max-11.com.

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AM15 .22LR UPPER RECEIVER
275 ROUND CAPACITY
- FULL AUTO FOR M11/9 SMG ONLY

The AM15 full auto UPPER RECEIVER for M11/9 SMG allows you to shoot unmodified .22LR American 180 drums, in either 165 round, 220 round or 275 round capacity on YOUR full auto M11/9 machine gun host receiver. The full auto AM15 upper receiver conversion is a full auto only OPEN BOLT drum fed .22LR rimfire caliber conversion that ejects out the bottom.

Pending ATF APPROVAL

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That looks like so much fun


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http://www.tacticalinc.com/am15-22lr-upper-receiver-br275-round-capacitybrfont-colorblue-full-auto-m119-onlyfont-p-1439.html

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A TASK style slowfire converted gun with a Lage MAX-11/9 upper receiver and sten magwell conversion.
The MAX-11/9 is an older design and is not the same as the current MAX-11 in production.

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Post Number:#32  PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:40 pm 
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MAX-31 Upper Receiver
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The picture above shows a MAX-31 with additional Lage Mfg. accessories that are not included with the MAX-11 upper receiver. Registered lower receiver is not included


The MAX-31 upper receiver is specifically designed to allow use of inexpensive, high capacity, 72 round Suomi M31 drum magazines. The longer receiver converts the M-11/9 into a carbine sized submachinegun and provides greater control and handling. The 72 round drum magazine allows you to shoot longer between magazine changes, enabling you to save precious time during matches.
Features include a 14-1/2" long M1913 accessory rail on top and hard mount points for additional M1913 rails on right, left and bottom of front handgrip. Bottom rail included. Contained within the upper receiver is a heavy weight bolt assembly with a longer length of travel than the stock M-11/9 upper recevier . This reduces the rate of fire (ROF) from 1,100 RPM down to around 650 RPM. Due to the reduced ROF and longer bolt travel, muzzle rise is reduced, the gun feels much smoother in operation and easily stays on target. The MAX-31 attaches to the stock M-11/9 lower receiver without any modification to the lower receiver and uses your existing retaining pin. 50 round M31 "Coffin" magazines can also be used with the MAX-31, but the 36 round double feed magazines are not compatible.

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Designed for use with a M-11/9 submachinegun lower receiver.
Requires no modification of the lower receiver to install upper.
Uses Suomi 72 Round Drum Magazines and 50 round "Coffin" magazines.
8" barrel threaded 1/2-28 at muzzle with "Birdcage" flash suppressor. Other barrel threads available.
14-3/4" long Picatinny rail along top for mounting a scope or removeable iron sights.
Polymer foregrip with 4" bottom Picatinny rail attached.
Mounting points on left and right side of foregrip for mounting additional rails.
Sling mounting points on right and left side of foregrip. (1" to 1-1/4" sling width)
Side cocking, non-reciprocating, spring return charging handle on left side.
Ambidextrious "Paddle" magazine release.
650 RPM rate of fire. Optional 900 RPM fast bolt.
Includes one 72 round Suomi drum. Additional drums are commonly available from many sources for around $25.00 each.
No modification of the magazines is required.
Specifications:

Overall dimensions of MAX-31 upper recevier:
Length: 20-3/4"
Width: 2-1/4"
Height: 4-3/4"
Weight: 4 pounds 8-1/2 ounces
Overal dimensions of the MAX-31 when assembled to an M-11/9 lower receiver with a 7-1/2" stock:
Overall length with 7-1/2" stock- 28-1/2"
Height- 7"
Width- 2-1/4"
Weight unloaded is 6 pounds, 8-1/2 ounces
Weight with a loaded 72 round drum is 8 pounds, 11 ounces
Weight of 72rd Drum Magazine: 2 pounds 2-1/2 ounces
Rate of fire:
Winchester White Box 115 Gr. FMJ- approximately 760 RPM
Federal 115 Gr. FMJ- approximately 750 RPM
Remington UMC 115 Gr. FMJ- approximately 730 RPM

Steel cased ammo is not recommended. Use of reloaded/re-manufactured ammo will void the warranty.
Note: All prices are subject to change without notice.

http://max-11.com/max31upper.html

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And, you can change it from open bolt action to closed bolt action by buying the extra bolt system. That way, with optics you can switch off, you can compete in 4 different classes at the SubGun Nationals that are organized twice a year at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot (and many other competitions).

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I want this stock.

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The Reising M50 is another option for a rifle style machine gun. These guns are .45 ACP and fire from a closed both. They are also select fire, so you don't have to worry about full auto all the time. The Ruger AC556 is a good choice as well. You can modify the Mini 14 accessories to work with the Auto and bring it up to date in looks. I personally like the Reising M50 because it shoots the .45 and it doesn't dig deep in your pocket for ammunition. At around $0.40 cents per round, these auto rifles will break you. Shooting them in .22LR is fun for the time being, but when you go to clean them. I'm sure you will have a different opinion. The Mac's are pretty dependable, but they have been a $2500 gun for the last 10 years. As long as you can still buy them new in the box, their value isn't going to do anything. 10 years ago, you could get a super nice Reising for around $3K. Today, a gun in the same condition will run you around 5K. A machinegun is an investment like an antique car. Pay a little extra up front and get something collectible. You will be glad you did when you go to sell it. The only difference with the machinegun is that you can put 100,000 miles on it and it still increases in value. They aren't making anymore, that's for sure.

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M11/9 for 2500.00? If you have them in stock you'll sell them all within a day. Standard price these days for an M11/9 NIB is around 4500.00. these days.

Reisings are fun too. However, if you want to shoot competition with them be sure to train that trigger finger ;)

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I concur with Ulwembu.
A $2,500.00 Mac would be a rarity now. They are going up in price.

Here is a link to a used M10/45 that is selling for $4,299:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4s ... ead=149972

Heck even the less desirable .380 version is up to $3,195.00.
http://www.dealernfa.com/Machine_Guns.htm#Arriving_Soon

If you want to get into full auto get one of these now.
The prices are climbing.

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Subguns.com classifieds is good place to start


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Full ATF approval for S.A.B.R.E.
Alliance has just received full ATF approval for their SABRE upper!
5.56x45 on a MAC and accepts all AR mags including BETA-C types.

Initial run is for M10's but M11's and M11A1's are in the works and should be close behind.

Alliance is currently adding all the details to their website and there'll be a list for anyone interested in getting one.

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The story on the S.A.B.R.E. is a long one, we submitted the first sample over 18 months ago 7 months later Tech branch gave a "thumbs down" , we then made some changes per the

ATF letter, resubmitted a physical sample and on Christmas eve 2012 we received a letter and success!

It fires from an open bolt, is locking breech gas piston system similar in design to the rare open bolt M16 design and one of the reasons we received approval I believe is that the recoil/buffer spring is not located in the upper.

It is an amazing advancement for the mac family, upper is machined T6 aluminum anodized and uses ar barrels with our modified gas piston system attached.

Michael - Alliance Armament

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I'm sure you can feel my sub gun jealousy all the way from Louisville.


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A SWD M11/9 and M10/45 all Lage'd out with suppresors and Eotechs

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Hi all, Can anyone ID a MG for me? Back when I was about 10 in '64 or '66, my Grandpa wanted to buy me an MG. It cost 800$ at the time and shot .22s. The mag could hold about 200 .22shorts. It looked like a Lewis gun from WW1. BTW, my dad would not let grandpa buy it, he wanted me to learn how to really shot, not just "spray and pray". Anyway, are they still around? If so, about what would one cost today?

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WartHog56 wrote:
Hi all, Can anyone ID a MG for me? Back when I was about 10 in '64 or '66, my Grandpa wanted to buy me an MG. It cost 800$ at the time and shot .22s. The mag could hold about 200 .22shorts. It looked like a Lewis gun from WW1. BTW, my dad would not let grandpa buy it, he wanted me to learn how to really shot, not just "spray and pray". Anyway, are they still around? If so, about what would one cost today?

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I think Cranky meant American 180 (AR180 favors the AR15 weapon)
Here is the info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180

They run 10k to 12k dollars now. All machineguns rose heavily in price after they passed the National Firearms Act and said no more production for general population consumption.


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I think Cranky meant American 180 (AR180 favors the AR15 weapon)
Here is the info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180

They run 10k to 12k dollars now. All machineguns rose heavily in price after they passed the National Firearms Act and said no more production for general population consumption.


Yeah thanks Dave
American-180

I have made parts like grips and butt-stocks for one about 15 years ago
Some guy from New York, I think he said he was from Germany.


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I know a guy who converted his M11/9 with a 22 conversion to accept the American 180 drums on top. Real fun thing to shoot. Hopefully he'll have it with him at the 22 match at the Machine Gun shoot as he promised me a run with it :P

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