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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by plumber_bob » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:23 pm

WLJ wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:49 pm
ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/

The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf

Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
You are just all kinda full of good news!!!!


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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Gunsmokin » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:04 pm

WLJ wrote:ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/

The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf

Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
If you look back when the bullshit with the bump stock happened, you will find where I said this was next. Not gloating. It is complete garbage and an agency run amok. We need to burn up McConnell’s office phone with calls to stop the ATF’s egregious overstepping of the law.


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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Niceguy » Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:34 am

Gunsmokin wrote:
WLJ wrote:ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/

The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf

Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
If you look back when the bullshit with the bump stock happened, you will find where I said this was next. Not gloating. It is complete garbage and an agency run amok. We need to burn up McConnell’s office phone with calls to stop the ATF’s egregious overstepping of the law.


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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by jmeister » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:38 am

Well adjustable pistol braces on rifle buffer tubes is kinda poking the bear. Although not the issue in this particular case.




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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:48 pm

The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms has issued a 60-day stay of their cease and desist order against Q, LLC regarding production of the Honey Badger pistol with SB Tactical stabilizing brace.

The letter says the 60-day stay is to allow the Department of Justice to assess the applicability of National Firearms Act regulations to the Q’s Honey Badger pistol. Some will see this as a positive development. Maybe the regulatory giant is having second thoughts and the suspension gives them time to reassess.

A more cynical view would be the ATF has chosen to punt the decision until after the election to see which way the political winds are blowing when the 60 days are up in December.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/break ... ist-order/
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:26 am

ATF Issues Conflicting Documents on Legal Pistol Braces
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/11/atf-si ... z6emLE3lYC

BREAKING!!! ATF Says 23 SB Tactical Braces Are Not Approved Devices (AKA NFA)
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:10 pm

DAYTON, NV –-(Ammoland.com)- Federal authorities have raided the offices of Polymer80 for allegedly illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms, failing to pay taxes, shipping firearms across state lines, and failing to conduct background checks.

The target of the raid centers around the company’s “Buy Build Shoot Kit,” which includes a slide, barrel, parts, the jigs, drill bits, and an 80% frame. The end-user would still need to mill out the frame to turn it into a working firearm. The ATF claims that because of the way the company sells the kits that these packages constitute firearms, and Polymer80 needs to serialize the frame.
ATF Raids Polymer80’s Office Claiming Company Is Illegally Selling Guns
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/12/atf-ra ... z6gKrTlgCm
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by plumber_bob » Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:51 pm

I was thinking of getting some 80% AR lowers but it wouldn't be from them anyway.
And I won't be buying a kit either.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Rem700 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:05 pm

That is stOOOpid.

It doesn't function as a firearm without milling work......

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Toddstang » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:28 pm

I'm sure the ATF will be busy with the lefts agenda.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Toddstang » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:39 pm

Gunsmokin wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:04 pm
WLJ wrote:ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/

The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf

Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by jmeister » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:12 pm

WLJ wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:10 pm
DAYTON, NV –-(Ammoland.com)- Federal authorities have raided the offices of Polymer80 for allegedly illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms, failing to pay taxes, shipping firearms across state lines, and failing to conduct background checks.

The target of the raid centers around the company’s “Buy Build Shoot Kit,” which includes a slide, barrel, parts, the jigs, drill bits, and an 80% frame. The end-user would still need to mill out the frame to turn it into a working firearm. The ATF claims that because of the way the company sells the kits that these packages constitute firearms, and Polymer80 needs to serialize the frame.
ATF Raids Polymer80’s Office Claiming Company Is Illegally Selling Guns
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/12/atf-ra ... z6gKrTlgCm
Yet make no arrests or file any charges.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:59 pm

jmeister wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:12 pm

Yet make no arrests or file any charges.
Raids like this are often done not to arrest anyone, at first, but to gather info like customer records among other things to build up a case. They want to know where these things went and If any of their customers fail a background check well that's icing on the cake. The arrests often come later based on what they find
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:39 am

Knock Knock

GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/202 ... pvZ5yPe6wg

Midway and Brownells got visits too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F9cvI9RMg

ATF Internal Leaks Shows An Even Greater Crack Down On 80% Frames ~ VIDEO
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/12/atf-in ... z6gN1yGexZ
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by rustynuts » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:11 am

What the hell? An 80% is a paperweight.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:16 am

rustynuts wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:11 am
What the hell? An 80% is a paperweight.
It's the 80%s being sold with the kits to finish them and not just 80% alone that seems to have triggered this. 80% were in many ways walking a thin line between legal definitions and the kit pushed them, in the ATF's view, over to the illegal side of the line.
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by plumber_bob » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:21 am

You'd spend more on a kit than if you just went and bought a complete firearm.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:35 am

plumber_bob wrote:
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You'd spend more on a kit than if you just went and bought a complete firearm.

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I've never priced them but it wouldn't surprise me. Guess many are willing to pay more for the illusion of anonymity. The reason I say illusion is that unless you walked directly into the company and put down cash there are sales records to access which is what the ATF seems to be doing in this case. Not sure if the ATF could request CC records as well.
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Niceguy » Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:12 am

We should never have let our country get to the point where an 80% lower was even a want, much less a necessity.

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Post by plumber_bob » Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:50 am

WLJ wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:35 am
Not sure if the ATF could request CC records as well.
They seem to be able to do what ever they want.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:59 pm

I predict binary and similar triggers are next
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Post by plumber_bob » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:24 pm

That will suck!!!

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:07 pm

Just got a Classic Firearms E-mail advertising the Polymer80 Glock kits
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Gunsmokin » Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:31 pm

WLJ wrote:I predict binary and similar triggers are next
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