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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by PDM » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:12 pm

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:20 am

Eric Swalwell Has a Massive 65-Point Plan to Regulate Guns, Ammo
https://www.guns.com/news/2019/06/19/er ... -guns-ammo
Among the plan’s 65-points are:

Outlawing civilian possession of “military-style semiautomatic assault weapons” with an exception for guns maintained by shooting ranges and hunting clubs. This would include a “buy back” followed by criminal prosecution for anyone found in violation of the prohibition.

Suppressors, magazines capable of holding more than 10 cartridges, and bump stocks would be totally banned for civilian ownership, with a government buy back similar to that on semi-auto firearms put into effect.

Add a 48-hour waiting period to gun purchases.

Require gun owners to report a lost or stolen gun within 24-hours.

Establish national gun storage standards that include “smart tech” coupled with a mandate for owners to comply with such requirements.

Expanding mandatory gun surrenders to include dating partners and family members subject to protective orders, even prior to their hearings.

Prohibit states from arming teachers.

Implement background checks for all firearm and ammunition purchases and set a buying limit of 200 rounds of ammo per 30-day period per person. This would be coupled with a maximum storage allowance of just 200 rounds per caliber at a person’s home to “prohibit individuals from hoarding ammunition.”

Ban civilian sales of M855 “Greentip” ammunition or any hollow-nosed bullet.

Reinstate a planned executive action from President Obama to strip gun rights from those receiving some types of Social Security checks. That plan was canceled by Congressional action signed by President Trump in 2017 with the support of not only Second Amendment groups but also civil liberties advocates.

Increase the number of databases used to screen potential gun buyers during a National Instant Criminal Background Check System Brady check.

Create a federal licensing program for gun owners to include mandatory training and both a written test and practical exam.
Require gun owners to take out liability insurance before they could legally possess a firearm.

Create a national firearm registry linked to individual firearms and require that all transfers be mandatorily registered and regularly updated.

Eliminate small federally licensed firearms dealers who do not have a dedicated brick and mortar commercial storefront.

Ration individual handgun purchases to no more than one per 30-day period.

Prohibit the online sale of guns or ammunition, even by licensed dealers.

Expand the powers and mandate of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to consolidate and centralize records relating to the acquisition of guns while allowing these regulators to increase the frequency of unscheduled audits of FFLs.

Veto any appropriations language that could restrict public health agencies from researching gun violence, such as the Dickey Amendment, and in turn fund such research with tax-payer dollars.

Repealing the Protection for Lawful Commerce in Guns Act, which is a federal law the insulates gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits, and charge federal agencies to implement safety standards “to eliminate junk guns, and to examine the feasibility of smart gun technology.”

Regulate firearm kits such as 80 percent lowers the same way firearms are regulated.

Mandate “evidence-based ballistics identification techniques, such as microstamping,” for all rifles and handguns made in the country. California is the only state that currently requires microstamping, and only for new models of semi-automatic pistols intended for commercial sale. Currently, there are no handguns in production that meet that mandate, one the firearms industry says relies on technology that is immature.
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:30 am

Staton ruling against “semiautomatic rifles with non-fixed magazines” came in response to a California Rifle and Pistol Association (CRPA) challenge against the state’s “assault weapons” ban.
Stanton opined that a ban on M-16s can stand under scrutiny of District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), because such guns are “outside the scope of the Second Amendment.” She then turned to a ban on AR-15s, saying, “Thus, if a weapon is essentially the same as the M-16, it is not protected by the Second Amendment merely because gun manufacturers have given it a different model number and dubbed it a ‘civilian rifle.’”
Judge: 2nd Amendment Does Not Protect Semiautomatic ‘Killing Machines’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... -machines/
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:11 pm

200 House Democrats Sign On to Assault Weapons Ban Bill of 2019
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/200-h ... l-of-2019/
The bill would outlaw . . .

Semi-automatic rifles and pistols with a military-style feature that can accept a detachable magazine;
Semi-automatic rifles with a fixed magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds;
Semi-automatic shotguns with a military-style feature;
Any ammunition feeding device that can hold more than 10 rounds;
And 205 specifically-named and listed firearms.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), a staunch Second Amendment advocate, has no intention of bringing the legislation to the floor, and President Trump has said there’s “no political appetite” for such a ban; both men are allies of the National Rifle Association, which is vehemently opposed to any ban or moratorium.
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:24 pm

I just noticed this
(vi) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when unloaded.
What the??????????
So anything over 3.1 lbs is an assault rifle?

Edit: That has to do with pistols. Still....
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by ssracer » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:40 pm

WLJ wrote:I just noticed this
(vi) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when unloaded.
What the??????????
So anything over 3.1 lbs is an assault rifle?

Edit: That has to do with pistols. Still....
Trying whatever the can to ban AR pistols


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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Niceguy » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:47 pm

ssracer wrote:
WLJ wrote:I just noticed this
(vi) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when unloaded.
What the??????????
So anything over 3.1 lbs is an assault rifle?

Edit: That has to do with pistols. Still....
Trying whatever the can to ban AR pistols


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But you gun crazies just need to compromise. We're not trying to take your guns... The 22k+ compromises you've already made don't count...

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Post by ssracer » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:42 pm

Black aces tactical short shotguns with folding braces are now NFA

https://www.recoilweb.com/have-a-black- ... 52400.html


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Post by ssracer » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:03 am

The ATF has apparently changed its mind about the semi auto AA12
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by jmeister » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:29 pm

giving up 20% share of ammo sales in US?
So now they'll only sell fudd ammo to go with their fudd guns

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by PDM » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:02 pm

"The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Toddstang » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:07 pm

Looks like Kroger for food and Academy for gun stuff.

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Post by ssracer » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:38 pm

Toddstang wrote:
Looks like Kroger for food and Academy for gun stuff.
Kroger just announced that they are asking customers to not open carry in their stores anymore.

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Post by jmeister » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:43 pm

paging MK
Looks like black face broke it off in you all today.

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Post by plumber_bob » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:34 pm

Ya! We gotta stop them murderous cars from killing people.

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Post by WLJ » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:55 am

From the court filing:

The Final Rule is void as a matter of law because, as ATF has conceded, it lacked “the authority to engage in ‘gap-filling’ interpretations of what qualifies as a ‘machinegun’” under the Gun Control and National Firearms Acts. (See Appellees’ Br. at 41.) The Final Rule, however, was designed to do just that—expand the definition of a “machinegun” to now include bump stocks, with such new legislative regulations taking effect only “after the effective date of th[e] regulation.” Final Rule, 83 Fed. Reg. 66523 (emphasis added). The Final Rule is therefore invalid and unenforceable.

Recognizing that it has the lawful authority to issue legislative rules only if there is a statutory ambiguity, ATF concedes that “the Rule’s application of the terms used to define ‘machinegun’ in the National Firearms Act is correct, and there is no ambiguity[.]” (Appellees’ Br. at 35-36.) ATF then goes one step further and concedes that it has no legislative rulemaking authority at all. (Appellees’ Br. at 40.) ATF agrees that “Congress did not expressly task the Attorney General with determining the scope of the criminal prohibition on machinegun possession” and that “statutory scheme does not … appear to provide the Attorney General the authority to engage in ‘gap-filling’ interpretations of what qualifies as a ‘machinegun[.]’” (Appellees’ Br. at 40-41.) ATF then argues that the Final Rule is an “interpretive” rule that does nothing more than provide “the best interpretation of the statute” that bump stocks “were machineguns at the time of classification[.]” (Appellees’ Br. at 36, 38, 40-41.) ATF has thus staked out the untenable position that the Bump Stock Final Rule is valid, only because it represents nothing more than a mere interpretation of an already unambiguous statutory prohibition.

This means that ATF agrees that the district court committed legal error. After all, the district court upheld the Final Rule only after concluding that “the Attorney General has been implicitly delegated interpretive authority to define ambiguous words or phrases in the NFA and the GCA” and that the term “machinegun” was ambiguous. (Aplt. App. at A133.) ATF’s present defense of the Final Rule therefore tries to make up for what it agrees was the district court’s erroneous legal analysis. (See Appellees’ Br. at 35-36, 40-41.)

Beyond showing its disagreement with the district court, ATF’s present argument also mean that if this Court decides that the Final Rule is legislative, ATF has conceded that is was promulgated without any lawful “authority” and is therefore void. (See Appellees’ Br. at 40.)
ATF Admits It Lacked Regulatory Authority to Ban Bump Stocks
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-a ... mp-stocks/
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:47 pm

Combine 9a, 9b, & 9j and you can pretty much kiss most semi autos goodbye in CA if this passes


California Wants to Add More ‘Assault Weapons’ to List of Banned Firearms
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/calif ... -firearms/
The notable additions are:

(9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:

(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(H) A second handgrip.
(I) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(10) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(11) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:08 pm

News out of California

BREAKING: 9th Circuit Holds "Large Capacity" Firearm Magazines Protected by 2nd Amendment, Affirms District Court Ruling
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/9th-circ ... -amendment
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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by Niceguy » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:38 pm

Maybe "we the people" are FINALLY starting to get tired of the government overreaching...

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by jackalo626 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:59 pm

WLJ wrote:Combine 9a, 9b, & 9j and you can pretty much kiss most semi autos goodbye in CA if this passes


California Wants to Add More ‘Assault Weapons’ to List of Banned Firearms
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/calif ... -firearms/
The notable additions are:

(9) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that does not have a fixed magazine, but that has any one of the following:

(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(G) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(H) A second handgrip.
(I) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(J) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(10) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(11) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
Well people are flocking away from there in droves and they won't have to worry much longer.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by jackalo626 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:59 pm

Niceguy wrote:Maybe "we the people" are FINALLY starting to get tired of the government overreaching...
Nah, read back one post about banning way more guns there.

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Re: Gun Control Watch

Post by WLJ » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:49 pm

ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/

The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf

Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
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