What are your thoughts on the BLM situation in Nevada?

[Toddstang]

In the 1880s his grandpa bought the rights to graze cattle on the land. Those property rights have been handed down through over the years. The original deal was a one time payment for the access to graze cattle on that land forever.

But the Bundy's made a deal with Uncle Vader. And he has altered the deal. They should pray that they don't alter it any further.

A few people on this site must be watching or listening to something other than what has been posted.

[Eireguy]

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[Eireguy]

https://m.facebook.com/ClivenBundy/post ... ream_ref=1 interesting post about the feds leaving

[drifter0069]

I saw that post as well. Dont think for 1 second this is over. The powers that be will NEVER let us feel we have the upper hand. They knew this situation was getting out of hand and would end bloody. They steped away to regroup. The next time they move in, it will be a swift and powerful blow to catch everyone off guard before they can unite.

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[jdf747emt]

I believe they were seeing another WACO, when the BATF were down to just a few rounds and with dead and wounded to recover, if they would have just caught David Koresh coming out of the bar he frequented it would have prevented so much bloodshed, but they wanted to make a point and show the newly elected president Clinton, there were a force he could depend upon. Didn't work that way and 16 little children died from the fumes of tear gas burning producing some toxic gas, that caused their muscles to contract so hard it snapped their spines, read the book, Ashes of Waco, its very disturbing and the inventors of FLIR, saying there were rounds being shot into the building when it was on fire. Horrible!

[Toddstang]

I believe they were seeing another WACO, when the BATF were down to just a few rounds and with dead and wounded to recover, if they would have just caught David Koresh coming out of the bar he frequented it would have prevented so much bloodshed, but they wanted to make a point and show the newly elected president Clinton, there were a force he could depend upon. Didn't work that way and 16 little children died from the fumes of tear gas burning producing some toxic gas, that caused their muscles to contract so hard it snapped their spines, read the book, Ashes of Waco, its very disturbing and the inventors of FLIR, saying there were rounds being shot into the building when it was on fire. Horrible!

The book tells it all.
Ruby Ridge was an eye opener too.

[Frailer]

Federal thugs vs guy who wants something for nothing.

I'm not taking up arms for either side in this fight.

this ^

Again, read the story. Honestly, this shit gets old when people take the side of mainstream media.

I've read everything I could find on this, largely because I can't make sense of it.

I'm not taking the side of the mainstream media; in fact, I'm not taking any side at all, which is what I meant by my original statement.

[BIGC]

Why Clive Bundy isn't WRONG.

There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due." The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.

Via The Modern American Revolution

[richief]

Reid smelling anything but rosy in ranch fight

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/reid-smellin ... nch-fight/

[ChopperDoc]

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[Wyldman]

Why BLM pulled up stakes and ran:

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/politics ... m-ran.html

[jdf747emt]

that could have gone south real quick, and you know the Feds are super hot around the neck, the president with increasing tension from Russia and China, could really make a hasty decision and tell someone to start shooting at the wrong time, here or there, there is talk of us putting troops as a buffer in the Ukraine, as we did in Germany and are still doing. This did show that Americans when unified are very strong and you will see many of the protesters were armed as they approached the cattle fence with their arms up, to prevent them being shot by snipers by mistake, as in Ruby ridge, if that was a mistake or not is up to debate.

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[ssracer]

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[ssracer]

Seeing reports popping up all over that the BLM may be planning a raid on the ranch...no idea how accurate they are

[BIGC]

Seeing reports popping up all over that the BLM may be planning a raid on the ranch...no idea how accurate they are

could be very bad if they do. Another large group of militia/patriots/oathkeepers showed up last night and this morning to secure the ranch.

[Toddstang]

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[baknblack]

It's not over. The government never backs down from a domestic fight. The more I've been reading about this I think I understand why he chose the route he did to make his point.
He doesn't stand a chance of winning in the courts unless the state of Nevada sides with him. What happens on the ground? anyone's guess.

[jdf747emt]

James Yeager from tactical response has his Tenn, Volunteers and yes I'm being tongue in cheek, last time that happened their was a big battle in Texas, where a wayward Kentuckian known to like knife fighting also died. That lead to the birth of a free nation named Texas.

[ChopperDoc]

http://thehossusmc.com/bundy-ranch-sitrep

Bundy Ranch Sitrep
Posted on April 16, 2014 by TheHoss
I arrived just in time today to watch Mr. Bundy give an interview to Sean Hannity remotely. There are about 40 militiamen scattered around the turn off to the Bundy ranch, and an internal security group that is organized and well trained. For OpSec purposes I can’t say how many. There are children playing in the yard and swimming in the tiny creek out front

As the sun is setting over the NV desert we just sat down to dinner with the Bundys and their extended family

You automatically get the feeling these are ‘Salt of the Earth’ people.

Two days after the BLM pulled out, the area seems almost abandoned except for a small group of friends and family

Beside the group of heavily armed volunteers, you wouldn’t know anything is different here, the ranch is still running as normal

There have been a lot of rumors floating around about a lot of things, and the majority of them are untrue. There is no sign of any feds, and it don’t seem like they will be back anytime soon

Stay tuned for more updates from TheHossUSMC on location at the Bundy Ranch, Bunkerville, Nevada

[ChopperDoc]

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Good read and asking some questions that I had initially:

Why spend a million dollars to pay outside cowboy to round up cattle when, if they have legal standing, they could just place a lien on them so cattle cannot be sold without money being taken? Or place a lien on the property?

Why gear up with the enforcer tactics without attempting other legal avenues if they believe they have the legal right to deprive him of property?

[baknblack]

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Why gear up with the enforcer tactics without attempting other legal avenues if they believe they have the legal right to deprive him of property?

It's the shoot first ask questions later mentality of every armed federal agency. And seems like every agency is armed now days. Plus, I believe it will eventually come out that someone had other plans for the property.

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[Tyler]

http://benswann.com/exclusive-does-cliv ... -to-court/

Why gear up with the enforcer tactics without attempting other legal avenues if they believe they have the legal right to deprive him of property?

It's the shoot first ask questions later mentality of every armed federal agency. And seems like every agency is armed now days. Plus, I believe it will eventually come out that someone had other plans for the property.

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I believe it has come out. Something involving Reid, solar farms and nationalized Chinese energy companies.