Shooting at Ft. Hood again

[WLJ]

A bit thin on details so far

Shooting with casualties reported at Ft. Hood
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/02/sh ... t-ft-hood/

[drifter0069]

Didnt they just release a possible jihadist who was planning on a fort hood attack? I saw a few articles about that the other day, but blew them off.

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[ssracer]

Can someone explain to me how we can entrust our military personnel with all manor weapons on the battlefield, then deny them even a damn side arm when they are on base at home?

[ssracer]

Can someone explain to me how we can entrust our military personnel with all manor weapons on the battlefield, then deny them even a damn side arm when they are on base at home?

[WLJ]

Local news reports one dead 8 injured.

[drifter0069]

Can someone explain to me how we can entrust our military personnel with all manor weapons on the battlefield, then deny them even a damn side arm when they are on base at home?

Yeah, that is the dumbest policy ever. Our nations defenders, some of the best trained, cant have a firearm.

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[WLJ]

They're reporting the shooter is dead

[Bama]

FBI was investigating a possible "soldier" with ties to extreme jihadist groups.
Sad to hear this happens in our own military bases. And I agree, all members of military should be permitted a sidearm while on base.

[Bama]

FBI was investigating a possible "soldier" with ties to extreme jihadist groups.
Sad to hear this happens in our own military bases. And I agree, all members of military should be permitted a sidearm while on base.

[ChopperDoc]

Can someone explain to me how we can entrust our military personnel with all manor weapons on the battlefield, then deny them even a damn side arm when they are on base at home?

Yeah, that is the dumbest policy ever. Our nations defenders, some of the best trained, cant have a firearm.

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SOME of them the best trained...

I am not certain some of the people that attended ranges I was the OIC of should have been allowed to look at weapons, certainly not carry them.

[Frailer]

Can someone explain to me how we can entrust our military personnel with all manor weapons on the battlefield, then deny them even a damn side arm when they are on base at home?

Yeah, that is the dumbest policy ever. Our nations defenders, some of the best trained, cant have a firearm.

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SOME of them the best trained...

I am not certain some of the people that attended ranges I was the OIC of should have been allowed to look at weapons, certainly not carry them.

This.

As a company commander I had to relieve more than one soldier of their *car keys* because they couldn't be trusted with them.

Military installations are entities unto themselves, and normal civil rights don 't always apply. While I agree there should be a process by which an individual should be able to be certified to carry weapons off-duty, I would not support blanket approval.

[Dave1965]

4 dead 14 injured, new update from Fox

[Frailer]

Apparently the shooter's name was Ivan Lopez.

Current rumor is that it was a "soldier dispute."

[ssracer]

Not sure I buy that rumor

[ssracer]

Not sure I buy that rumor

[WLJ]

CNN is reporting Obama is heartbroken over the shooting, bet he still doesn't know where Benghazi is.

[Frailer]

Not sure I buy that rumor

Why not?

Not saying it's true, but most shootings on military bases are soldier/soldier or soldier/spouse.

[ChopperDoc]

Not sure I buy that rumor

Why not?

Not saying it's true, but most shootings on military bases are soldier/soldier or soldier/spouse.

Yep.

I spent a couple days searching a garbage dump near Killeen Tx when a soldier decided to kill and dismember his wife, dumping body parts in dumpsters all over Killeen.

The guy was a soldier, they are saying. Could actually be a workplace shooting this time. Too early to say for sure either way.

[WLJ]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/shooting- ... d=23166944

Law enforcement sources told ABC News the firearm used by the assailant was a semi-automatic .45 caliber Smith & Wesson handgun. ATF is conducting an urgent trace of the gun, which is standard protocol in these types of incidents.

[mtchbrian]

ultimately the shooter is solely to blame, but i can't help but wonder if the WTU could've done more. I've seen first hand how screwed up the system is. It doesn't do an adequate job of treating the soldiers in the WTU. The medicate them beyond belief and take them to appointments. they need more than the scheduled time to be treated. some of these soldiers need constant help, both mentally and physically. without it, depression and a sense of helplessness sets in. they feel abondoned lots of times becuase they are seperated from their units and families. Someone needs to fix the WTU and get these soldiers the help they need.

[Dave1965]

ultimately the shooter is solely to blame, but i can't help but wonder if the WTU could've done more. I've seen first hand how screwed up the system is. It doesn't do an adequate job of treating the soldiers in the WTU. The medicate them beyond belief and take them to appointments. they need more than the scheduled time to be treated. some of these soldiers need constant help, both mentally and physically. without it, depression and a sense of helplessness sets in. they feel abondoned lots of times becuase they are seperated from their units and families. Someone needs to fix the WTU and get these soldiers the help they need.

I agree, but I always wonder what difference is in today's generation and that of WW2 who were involved in things intimately more and longer with no help.

[rustynuts]

ultimately the shooter is solely to blame, but i can't help but wonder if the WTU could've done more. I've seen first hand how screwed up the system is. It doesn't do an adequate job of treating the soldiers in the WTU. The medicate them beyond belief and take them to appointments. they need more than the scheduled time to be treated. some of these soldiers need constant help, both mentally and physically. without it, depression and a sense of helplessness sets in. they feel abondoned lots of times becuase they are seperated from their units and families. Someone needs to fix the WTU and get these soldiers the help they need.

I agree, but I always wonder what difference is in today's generation and that of WW2 who were involved in things intimately more and longer with no help.

The WW2 generation was far less pampered, pandered to and coddled. They were raised to accept and learn from failure, not be rewarded for it. They were taught that the world wasn't fair, not have their world rearranged in the name of fairness.

[Frailer]

According to one of my contacts at Hood (an officer in the same brigade) the soldier wasn't in the WTU; he was in a transportation battalion, although he was undergoing mental health treatment.

[jackalo626]

ultimately the shooter is solely to blame, but i can't help but wonder if the WTU could've done more. I've seen first hand how screwed up the system is. It doesn't do an adequate job of treating the soldiers in the WTU. The medicate them beyond belief and take them to appointments. they need more than the scheduled time to be treated. some of these soldiers need constant help, both mentally and physically. without it, depression and a sense of helplessness sets in. they feel abondoned lots of times becuase they are seperated from their units and families. Someone needs to fix the WTU and get these soldiers the help they need.

I agree, but I always wonder what difference is in today's generation and that of WW2 who were involved in things intimately more and longer with no help.

The WW2 generation was far less pampered, pandered to and coddled. They were raised to accept and learn from failure, not be rewarded for it. They were taught that the world wasn't fair, not have their world rearranged in the name of fairness.

i second this. I also say this exact reason is most of the United States problems core.

[mtchbrian]

ultimately the shooter is solely to blame, but i can't help but wonder if the WTU could've done more. I've seen first hand how screwed up the system is. It doesn't do an adequate job of treating the soldiers in the WTU. The medicate them beyond belief and take them to appointments. they need more than the scheduled time to be treated. some of these soldiers need constant help, both mentally and physically. without it, depression and a sense of helplessness sets in. they feel abondoned lots of times becuase they are seperated from their units and families. Someone needs to fix the WTU and get these soldiers the help they need.

I agree, but I always wonder what difference is in today's generation and that of WW2 who were involved in things intimately more and longer with no help.

The WW2 generation was far less pampered, pandered to and coddled. They were raised to accept and learn from failure, not be rewarded for it. They were taught that the world wasn't fair, not have their world rearranged in the name of fairness.

i second this. I also say this exact reason is most of the United States problems core.

i agree too. most americans are not able to deal with defeat or learn from a harsh reality. when their worlds get turned up side down they freak out and shut down. there needs to be a way to harden these young folk up for the big bad world. for soldiers, i think they all should go thru SERE training. I myself have begged my chain of command for this course. It would be a way to sort out the weak from the strong(mentally). I also think we need to do more realistc training. make these pukes think on their feet more instead of relying on technology and a damn computer. if that shit breaks, man up and continue mission.