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Post by gaston_kalash » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:39 pm

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Post by gaston_kalash » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:42 pm

The Civilian Marksmanship Program has been providing arms to civilian match shooters and riflemen for over 110 years, but one weapon left off the list of civilian-legal surplus firearms the CMP is allowed to sell to civilian shooters is the venerable 1911 handgun. However, that may soon change. For the past couple of years, variations of the National Defense Authorization Act have been proposed that would change the law establishing the CMP to allow them to sell 1911 handguns to the American public, but so far none of these versions have passed and become law. The most recent version of the NDAA provides for the sale of 1911 handguns (albeit in a different manner than the rifles, i.e. through an FFL) through the organization, and is poised to be signed in the next week. Hognose of WeaponsMan reports: - See more at: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... tkUeX.dpuf
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Post by Toecutter1978 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:15 pm

So... There is a chance.

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Post by jmeister » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:42 pm

Hearing that O signed the bill today that this was stuck in. Still trying to find something to confirm.

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Post by Bama » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:55 am

Dang, you beat by a minute.


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Post by Bama » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:09 am

Now, how soon before we see prices?


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Post by Gunsmokin » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:00 am

Says there are something on the order of 100k surplus pistols. Won't take long for those to be gone.
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Post by Toecutter1978 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:24 am

Gunsmokin wrote:Says there are something on the order of 100k surplus pistols. Won't take long for those to be gone.
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Post by Gunsmokin » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:30 am

Pitch a tent and wait
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Post by Toddstang » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:04 pm

Hopefully they will be import mark free.

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Post by DDgunslinger » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:05 pm

Hopefully

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Post by Toecutter1978 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:37 pm

Gunsmokin wrote:Pitch a tent and wait
That would be awesome! I would love to have one. I don't care if it rattles, I want to make a shooter

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Re: CMP 1911's

Post by Mexican Kerry » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:07 pm

ballscutoff1978 wrote:
Gunsmokin wrote:Pitch a tent and wait
That would be awesome! I would love to have one. I don't care if it rattles, I want to make a shooter
If you want to make a shooter, you are further ahead buying a modern 1911 to build on. Cost-wise and quality wise. Even a current Chinese knockoff is arguably built with better techniques than were being used in the first half of the 20th century. This is a fact, not just my opinion.

If you want a genuine piece of USGI history, that's another thing. There is definitely something cool about firing my '43 Colt that I don't get from firing my newer tuned up Springfield.

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but unless they are selling off crates of nos 1911's, I would guess they are more than likely going to be mismatched and pieced together. The article did say that each one had to be gone over for serviceability before sale. With the arsenal refurbs of the past that meant tearing the pistol apart and sorting the good parts from the bad, and when they were re-assembled they didn't necessarily match them back up.

That being said, CMP is not a war-time arsenal trying to get equipment back up and into the field as fast as possible. Given the collectability of military firearms, they may do what they can to ensure that these pistols are kept in somewhat correct form if they receive them that way. Speculation on my part, I don't know anyone that is involved with the program.

These pistols have technically been in service for up to 100 yrs, depending on when they were made. A lot can happen in that time, a lot of parts can be changed out. Just be aware of that if you are looking at getting one. If you are looking for a collectible piece of history, do your homework. If you just want an old 1911 to work on and play with, all you have to decide is whether or not its in your budget.

I am certainly no expert on this subject, but I have dabbled in 1911s for a while, old and new. My opinion is this: if you want a shooter, buy a new one. Make it look like a wartime pistol if that's your thing, or buy one of the many reproductions that are out there to scratch your Saving Private Ryan fix. If you want to run a mag or two occasionally through your vintage pistol, do so but remember that there is a risk that you may break something, and that if you do, you will never have it back. I'm on the fence about this one, I have old pistols that I've shot, and others that I haven't. There is something to be said for keeping it original but I also see the argument that if I'm going to spend the money on it, I'm damn well going to use it and enjoy it.

I've shot enough 1911s that I know my '29 Super .38 isn't going to be any better than the current production one I have, so I've never fired it. Too much money in it to risk breaking something.

Same with my WW2 Colts, I have a mixmaster I shoot occasionally, but I have another all original one I've never fired. They will both produce the same result so I've never felt the need to put the wear and tear on the nicer one I have.

People say "A gun I can't shoot is a waste." Maybe, but if that's the case, you shouldn't be looking at a WW2 Colt/Ithaca/Rand/etc.

If you don't know what Colt/Ithaca/Rand means, you should probably buy a Hi Point. In Fo-Five of course!

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Post by Mexican Kerry » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:09 pm

That's if anyone here wanted my opinion of course. Disregard the previous post if not.

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Post by Toecutter1978 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:05 pm

Yeah, like you said, it just makes for a different feeling shooting a vintage versus a new production 1911. I would want to shoot one ever so often, with the youngens. It's so much more fun discussing the history when you have one in hand.

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Post by Dave1965 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Watch bunches of high priced dealers stuff start decreasing

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Post by Toecutter1978 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:36 pm

Think this will decrease the value of vintage 1911's as a whole with more in the market? Maybe not the mint ones, but day to day shooters?

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Re: CMP 1911's

Post by Dave1965 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:45 pm

somewhat and probably only for a little while, I bet the CMP will sell them for like 700 or 800 knowing that a decent shooter is around 1200 now

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Re: CMP 1911's

Post by Toddstang » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:48 pm

ballscutoff1978 wrote:Think this will decrease the value of vintage 1911's as a whole with more in the market? Maybe not the mint ones, but day to day shooters?
Wont even put a dent in the market.

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Post by Toddstang » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:50 pm

Mexican Kerry wrote:That's if anyone here wanted my opinion of course. Disregard the previous post if not.
I agree with you 100%

I want one and will try to get one, but if mis-matched parts, and or import marks, I'm not paying a premium price.

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Re: CMP 1911's

Post by jmeister » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:09 pm

Will probably be a year or two before these are even available & they are going to limit them to 10k each year.

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