PTR 91

Post by **325MOUTguru** » Tue May 21, 2013 11:58 pm

Does the American HK also hate us and think we're stupid?

JK, I really like PTR 91s.

1fastmach1 · Post by **1fastmach1** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:19 am

I had one of these Century Cetme rifles. It was a complete piece of crap. Serious bolt gap issues. It would have cost me a fortune to get it running right. These HK clones are a huge gamble. If you CAN get them to run good, they are a real treat. You can get them for a third of the price of a real HK91 or HK93. How does this one run?

Post by **WLJ** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:33 am

1fastmach1 wrote:I had one of these Century Cetme rifles. It was a complete piece of crap. Serious bolt gap issues. It would have cost me a fortune to get it running right. These HK clones are a huge gamble. If you CAN get them to run good, they are a real treat. You can get them for a third of the price of a real HK91 or HK93. How does this one run?

PTR-91s are not Century, they're all new American production, not reworked imports.

1fastmach1 · Post by **1fastmach1** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:42 am

WLJ wrote:
1fastmach1 wrote:I had one of these Century Cetme rifles. It was a complete piece of crap. Serious bolt gap issues. It would have cost me a fortune to get it running right. These HK clones are a huge gamble. If you CAN get them to run good, they are a real treat. You can get them for a third of the price of a real HK91 or HK93. How does this one run?
PTR-91s are not Century, they're all new American production, not reworked imports.

Correct. It's still a clone. The PTR rifles have the same problems but not quite as bad. People just end up cramming huge over-sized rollers in them to correct the bolt gap. Usually after a couple hundred rounds, your in the same boat as if you had purchased a Century. The PTR and Vector rifles are some of the better clones on the market. If anyone has one, Parabellum Combat Systems in OK is fabulous in rebuilding these rifles. He built an MP5k from a demilled receiver and he also rebuilt a Cetme for me. The Cetme runs like a top after a complete barrel replacement. It's one of my favorite rifles I own now

Post by **jackalo626** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:29 pm

325MOUTguru wrote:Does the American HK also hate us and think we're stupid?

JK, I really like PTR 91s.

HK I read recently has filed for bankruptcy. I can't say it would have stopped it but maybe you should have taken care of your customers a bit better and they might not be where they are now.

Post by **Dave1965** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:46 pm

I have had two cetme's with no problems.

Post by **86 slo-vo** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:58 pm

I worked on a PTR 91 a few weeks ago, had one of the worst triggers I had ever felt out of the box.

1fastmach1 · Post by **1fastmach1** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:05 pm

Dave1965 wrote:I have had two cetme's with no problems.

You were extremely lucky then. Do a little research on them. They are notorious for bolt gap issue that caused FTF and FTE issues.

Post by **guncrank1** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:39 pm

This rifle was assembled with PTR receiver and H/K parts kit.

Post by **Toddstang** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:52 pm

My PTR was the best 7.62 rifle I owned.
My CETME was 2nd.
Wish I still had them.

Post by **Dave1965** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:57 pm

1fastmach1 wrote:
Dave1965 wrote:I have had two cetme's with no problems.
You were extremely lucky then. Do a little research on them. They are notorious for bolt gap issue that caused FTF and FTE issues.

I do research on any gun I own. Never had any issues because I generally look before i leap I checked both of the ones I had and no problems.

1fastmach1 · Post by **1fastmach1** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:23 pm

That's pretty good then. They are sweet rifles for the money. I had two of the century c93 and they were both pretty bad off. I replaced rollers on both and one was barely within spec to shoot it. The other still wouldn't run. I was happy to get out from under them. The price on them apparently spiked after the panic. I wish I had one that ran. ESP the 91. Gotta love the .308.

Post by **Frailer** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:02 am

jackalo626 wrote:
325MOUTguru wrote:Does the American HK also hate us and think we're stupid?

JK, I really like PTR 91s.
HK I read recently has filed for bankruptcy. I can't say it would have stopped it but maybe you should have taken care of your customers a bit better and they might not be where they are now.

They aren't bankrupt (yet), but they've racked up substantial losses during the past couple of years.

Post by **GPtuners** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:09 am

Century and CETME, I can understand some deviations in quality. But the PTR91 was actually made from old HK tooling, so I can't see the difference in quality?

Post by **Toddstang** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:29 am

GPtuners wrote:Century and CETME, I can understand some deviations in quality. But the PTR91 was actually made from old HK tooling, so I can't see the difference in quality?

Barrels and trunions were early issues. I have seen some theards on HKPRO about bad trunions popping up again.

1fastmach1 · Post by **1fastmach1** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:35 am

I've had two. They both had bad barrels. Otherwise nice guns.

767fixer · Post by **767fixer** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:17 pm

Lots of bad comments about the ptr 91 on here, but seeing I've had 3 I have a bit of first hand experience. The trigger is not an ar trigger. It's a battle rifle trigger. They can be tuned though. For and finish was excellent in everyone I had owned. They go bang everytime. A bad barrel is something I never had. They are made by Thompson center. I'd think about trading my 460 S&W for the wood stock one the op posted.

My history

Post by **guncrank1** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:59 pm

767fixer wrote:Lots of bad comments about the ptr 91 on here, but seeing I've had 3 I have a bit of first hand experience. The trigger is not an ar trigger. It's a battle rifle trigger. They can be tuned though. For and finish was excellent in everyone I had owned. They go bang everytime. A bad barrel is something I never had. They are made by Thompson center. I'd think about trading my 460 S&W for the wood stock one the op posted.

My history

The rifle in question, the barrel was not made by TC
The reciever is a PTR and that about as close to a PTR as it gets.

Post by **son of liberty** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:54 pm

I have always Regarded The Whole HK91 series , branded by whoever , called what ever, to be by design some of the worst MBRs ever made . Even the ones that functioned are POS from the get go, I feel they are a waste of 308.

To each his own but if we were giving opinions I had to throw mine out there.

1fastmach1 · Post by **1fastmach1** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:07 pm

If your really interested in an HK type roller locked rifle and don't want to spend the coin on the real deal, look into vector arms. They make fantastic rifles.

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1fastmach1 · Post by **1fastmach1** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:07 pm

If your really interested in an HK type roller locked rifle and don't want to spend the coin on the real deal, look into vector arms. They make fantastic rifles.

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Post by **guncrank1** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:56 pm

I have a CETME now in shop , that has been to three other shops.
We shall see if it can be repaired to work.

richief · Post by **richief** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:09 pm

I'll take the FAL any day for the same duty as this rifle.

767fixer · Post by **767fixer** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:38 pm

I love the opinions guns create. Glocks suck ... glocks are awesome. The hk 90 series guns suck, they are great. And usually it's the opinion of people who have never handled the other. Personally I haven't fired a fal, and don't know the gun. It may be great. I just don't like the look of them. I don't like the rear sight mounting not on the barreled reciever. But it's, like everyone else's, an opinion. Something must be right about the 90 series because their resale value is only increasing.

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