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Arisaka type 99

Post by ChickenLady » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:16 pm

Does anybody own one specifically from the toyo kogyo aresenal? We own a car made in the same factory and thinking of buying the gun built there too

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Niceguy » Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:02 pm

I don't, but it would be pretty neat to have a car and gun made in the same factory...

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by rustynuts » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:21 pm

I have one, but don't know what factory it's from. It's been a couple of years since I've had it out, I'll have to check.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Whootsinator » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:47 pm

Toyo Kogyo arsenal stamp:

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Toyo Kogyo was active from 1939 - 1945.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by WLJ » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:56 pm

If you plan on shooting it it's a good idea to try to avoid ones made 44-45 since they were cutting corners at that point and the metal can be suspect in many of them. The early ones were fine rifles though and usually are good shooters.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Vividia » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:52 pm

Like this one?

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Laid it on one of my reference books for photo. Mine is a Type 99, Series 33, Arsenal Toyo Kyogo. Mum, monopod and sight with wings intact. Not a real spiffy photo but you get the gist.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by guncrank1 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:23 pm

Jap action is stronger than a Mauser.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Toddstang » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:39 pm

guncrank1 wrote:Jap action is stronger than a Mauser.
I'd choose a Mauser any day over that Jap crap.
There were reasons they were never copied/mass produced.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Whootsinator » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:58 pm

What were those reasons?
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Toddstang » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:25 am

Whootsinator wrote:What were those reasons?
Have you ever cycled one?
Crude finish, some weird ass disk safety.
Sorry, but to me they are junk.

Flame on. Only collectors seem to defend their use.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Whootsinator » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:27 pm

The only Arisaka I've ever handled was in hoooorrible condition after being stuck in a closet and forgotten about, probably right after it was fished out of a body of water. It was bad.

Still, a crude finish and a "weird" safety aren't enough to toss out what might be a solid design.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Vividia » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:28 pm

Mine is decent. The silly dust cover makes it feel like a rattle trap. Often in the field the soldiers took it off for convenience. Take off the cover and it's a whole different feel. As I recall, these are among the stoutest of the actions based on the Mauser, they have been tested to above 70,000, and I think I remember reading they are rated to 120,000.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by guncrank1 » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:57 pm

Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Toddstang » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:44 pm

guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.
Mosins came before Arisakas.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by guncrank1 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:07 pm

Toddstang wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.
I guess you know that in after WW 2 , there where plenty of Ariska and Mausers brought back to the states that there was a demand for barrels and stocks that it created several new companies and breathed life into older companieas in the firearms buisness.

That was what I ment.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by guncrank1 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:09 pm

Toddstang wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:Jap action is stronger than a Mauser.
I'd choose a Mauser any day over that Jap crap.
There were reasons they were never copied/mass produced.
Crude or not
The gunmaker/gunsmith PO Ackely blew up a Mauser before the Jap action.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by guncrank1 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:12 pm

Toddstang wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.
Mosins came before Arisakas.
:D
By six years 1891 vs 1897

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by WLJ » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:13 pm

guncrank1 wrote:
Toddstang wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.
Mosins came before Arisakas.
:D
By six years 1891 vs 1897
The Type 99 was introduce in 1939 and fired the 7.7x58 cartridge
The Type 30 in 1897 and fired the 6.5x50
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by guncrank1 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:20 pm

WLJ wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:
Toddstang wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.
Mosins came before Arisakas.
:D
By six years 1891 vs 1897
The Type 99 was introduce in 1939 and fired the 7.7x58 cartridge
The Type 30 in 1897 and fired the 6.5x50
I am not a Jap expert but I believe that the design was basicly the same from the original to last.

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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by WLJ » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:27 pm

guncrank1 wrote:
WLJ wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:
Toddstang wrote:
guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.
Mosins came before Arisakas.
:D
By six years 1891 vs 1897
The Type 99 was introduce in 1939 and fired the 7.7x58 cartridge
The Type 30 in 1897 and fired the 6.5x50
I am not a Jap expert but I believe that the design was basicly the same from the original to last.
Type 38 was an improved 30 with both firing the 6.5
Type 99 was an improved 38 firing the 7.7
So I guess you could call the 30 the 99's grandfather.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Rext » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:23 pm

I have one of the 99 like pictured above. Pretty standard stuff but pretty neat with the antiaircraft sights and the monopod. I also have one of the last ditch guns. Pretty neat side by side comparison to illustrate how desperate they were to get guns out the door in the last bit of the war. I also have bayonets for both that are fashioned in the same regard. I might try to take some side by side comparison pictures for you.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Whootsinator » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:24 pm

Rext wrote:I might try to take some side by side comparison pictures for you.
That would be very cool to see.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Rext » Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:52 pm

These are the bayonets
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Even the steel sheath was discarded for bamboo
Even the steel sheath was discarded for bamboo
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Overall comparison of the bayonets. Notice the quality difference and corners that were cut.
Overall comparison of the bayonets. Notice the quality difference and corners that were cut.
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Rext » Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:55 pm

Look closely for the differences in quality and the extra machine work that was involved. Also notice the amount of missing metal in the last ditch gun that I would assume would allow more for another rifle?
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Re: Arisaka type 99

Post by Rext » Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:57 pm

All about cutting corners
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